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Post by Kit on Jan 4, 2015 15:11:56 GMT -7
Something that really bothered me in this chapter is how accepting everyone was of Wilson (the collie). The same day that he joined there group, he was trying to shake Kurojaki's son to death. I get that he'd do almost anything to get revenge, but killing an innocent child is pretty messed up. THEN, Cross is the only one to go and help the kid. She says because she's a a woman she can't endure "the voice of a crying child." This basically suggests everyone else can, which makes them look pretty cold-hearted. I also agree with everyone here, Gin is an absolute idiot in this volume. I guess everyone follows who they perceive as the "strongest" even if that means being disloyal to someone who's been leading you forever.To be fair though, Gin does say "I don't want you to come with me." He never really encourages anyone to follow him and just respects everyone's decisions. He still takes unnecessary and foolish risks though. That being said, I still really enjoyed reading this chapter. There was quite a few awesome fight scenes. Oh, and I think there's a small typo on page 39, "... we don't know know how much..." It should maybe be "... we don't know now how much..."? I feel really bad for pointing that out because everything is so perfect. I figured if you ever re-uploaded for some reason you might want to know so you can fix it. Now I'm off to read volume 5. Wish me luck.... :ilikeitplz:
That mistake is completely M-92 Mantis's fault, and I'm not responsible in any way shape or form. So you can trust us... just not his editing job. As for your volume comments, I completely agree. I'd never trust Wilson after just watching him try to break a kid's neck by shaking it... Especially if I was bringing said kid into my group, after. And why is Wilson okay with that part, either? I know it's Kurojaki he hates, but Chibi-Tesshin is just going to be a constant reminder for him. I'm surprised Akame's okay with it, for that matter. I'd never really thought about that aspect of Cross trying to save him, either... You're right, it really does look bad when you analyze it. Surely she's not the only one who could have gotten there in time, so it kind of makes her look... expendable, that she's the only one Yoshi had even attempt. And then trying to pass it off as, "oh, well she's a girl, so... she wants to save kids," really does just backfire in making every other character look like a sociopath who didn't even care. They actually didn't react much to Cross killing herself, either. Even Smith scolding Hyena for his callous comment was really tame under the circumstances, seeing as saving an innocent life would normally be the epitome of heroic in the Ginga-verse. I guess maybe Yoshi forgot, because he already knew she'd be alive, but it still looks really bad. I have nothing much more to say about Gin. He did tell them they shouldn't come, but it seemed more a formality, to me. Like he knew they would and had no plans on stopping them more firmly, anyway. Volume 5?! :trollicongasp: Godspeed... :lookofshock:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 12:13:53 GMT -7
Moving my rant here, because... why not. Took a long time to type, right? Gonna get a little passionate, here, but... For those wondering why I hate Gin, this Shikoku arc is pretty much the epitome. Ben is being very sensible about the storm, has every right to DEMAND they shut up and listen because they are still HIS soldiers, and said they would just go in the morning, when it's safer, anyway. There is NO downside to listening to him and NO reason for this outright sneaky, disgusting usurping. In fact ALL of them are just betraying him for no reason. They owe GIN NOTHING. They owe BEN many of their LIVES. BEN is the one making connections and gaining loyalty through his kindness and charisma. But of course, since Gin needs to be the main star, here, Ben just gets pissed all over and does a complete character regression while Gin gets praised as a god in puppy form for basically doing the exact same thing Sniper has been doing - going behind the real leader's back to sneak around and try and take his role for literally no good reason. Now, I'm not saying Gin and Sniper have exactly the same methods, obviously, but there are still disturbing similarities that really have me wondering why one is considered the bad guy while the other isn't. New chapter additional rant: And Gin AGAIN chooses not to go with Musashi's perfectly sensible plan, and instead risks the whole mission when there was NO downside to Musashi's plan that wouldn't happen with him alone. I really do have no problem with fans having a different opinion of Gin, or even liking him. It's just something that personally pisses me off beyond belief about his character, and a rant that I'm always happy to get off my chest, LOL. If you think differently, you are obviously free to post about it, I just... really had to say all that after re-reading this volume. These are all valid points. Personally I've become used to strategic/tactical mistakes in almost every book/movie/series I read/watch, so they don't bother me anymore. I hardly find any protagonist, anywhere, who makes the right call. I guess this is just an easy way for authors to keep the story going, by having their characters make stupid decisions (Beast Wars is the best example, if you've seen it - and I still love that series). I try to make sense of it all by thinking "well, they still won, so I guess they were right after all." Despite this, I still like Gin.
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Post by M-92 Mantis on Jan 17, 2015 12:22:58 GMT -7
Moving my rant here, because... why not. Took a long time to type, right? Gonna get a little passionate, here, but... For those wondering why I hate Gin, this Shikoku arc is pretty much the epitome. Ben is being very sensible about the storm, has every right to DEMAND they shut up and listen because they are still HIS soldiers, and said they would just go in the morning, when it's safer, anyway. There is NO downside to listening to him and NO reason for this outright sneaky, disgusting usurping. In fact ALL of them are just betraying him for no reason. They owe GIN NOTHING. They owe BEN many of their LIVES. BEN is the one making connections and gaining loyalty through his kindness and charisma. But of course, since Gin needs to be the main star, here, Ben just gets pissed all over and does a complete character regression while Gin gets praised as a god in puppy form for basically doing the exact same thing Sniper has been doing - going behind the real leader's back to sneak around and try and take his role for literally no good reason. Now, I'm not saying Gin and Sniper have exactly the same methods, obviously, but there are still disturbing similarities that really have me wondering why one is considered the bad guy while the other isn't. New chapter additional rant: And Gin AGAIN chooses not to go with Musashi's perfectly sensible plan, and instead risks the whole mission when there was NO downside to Musashi's plan that wouldn't happen with him alone. I really do have no problem with fans having a different opinion of Gin, or even liking him. It's just something that personally pisses me off beyond belief about his character, and a rant that I'm always happy to get off my chest, LOL. If you think differently, you are obviously free to post about it, I just... really had to say all that after re-reading this volume. These are all valid points. Personally I've become used to strategic/tactical mistakes in almost every book/movie/series I read/watch, so they don't bother me anymore. I hardly find any protagonist, anywhere, who makes the right call. I guess this is just an easy way for authors to keep the story going, by having their characters make stupid decisions (Beast Wars is the best example, if you've seen it - and I still love that series). I try to make sense of it all by thinking "well, they still won, so I guess they were right after all." Despite this, I still like Gin. Not to get off topic, but who made stupid decisions in Beast Wars in order to end up winning the fight? I love that series, too, but I'm not sure which episodes/characters you're referencing. I think it's a bit different in a comedy/adventure/drama about robots fighting on prehistoric earth than it is with dogs with a supposedly strong military casting with their officers, commanders and general.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 12:29:42 GMT -7
These are all valid points. Personally I've become used to strategic/tactical mistakes in almost every book/movie/series I read/watch, so they don't bother me anymore. I hardly find any protagonist, anywhere, who makes the right call. I guess this is just an easy way for authors to keep the story going, by having their characters make stupid decisions (Beast Wars is the best example, if you've seen it - and I still love that series). I try to make sense of it all by thinking "well, they still won, so I guess they were right after all." Despite this, I still like Gin. Not to get off topic, but who made stupid decisions in Beast Wars in order to end up winning the fight? I love that series, too, but I'm not sure which episodes/characters you're referencing. I think it's a bit different in a comedy/adventure/drama about robots fighting on prehistoric earth than it is with dogs with a supposedly strong military casting with their officers, commanders and general. I'll PM you.
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Post by Kit on Jan 17, 2015 15:11:17 GMT -7
These are all valid points. Personally I've become used to strategic/tactical mistakes in almost every book/movie/series I read/watch, so they don't bother me anymore. I hardly find any protagonist, anywhere, who makes the right call. I guess this is just an easy way for authors to keep the story going, by having their characters make stupid decisions (Beast Wars is the best example, if you've seen it - and I still love that series). I try to make sense of it all by thinking "well, they still won, so I guess they were right after all." Despite this, I still like Gin. Aha, I was ranting here, and I think I accidentally made it sound like people should agree with me and hate Gin. But you bring an excellent point up - I often find myself disliking the protagonist. I suppose it's because authors themselves may not know how to make the decisions their characters are making, but they want people to like the character, so they try to make it seem correct. I realize someone is always going to disagree with some decision, but Gin in particular just seems to get... out of hand. He can do no wrong with any other character in the series (aside from generic villains who hate everyone), and he's supposed to be the epitome of innate justice, but I can never feel like anything he does is just. I realize the Kai situation was an attempt to humanize him a bit in the end, but again, nobody had any problem with it, whatsoever. So it didn't seem like it was played as any kind of moral or leadership issue. 'Gin knows best, even if he had a slight hiccup in judgement for 5 seconds.' I do dislike his personality as well, but I feel like I could deal with him if it was just that, and not everything else about the story putting him on borderline God status.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 1:01:14 GMT -7
I've come to expect this from most Shonen I read, so it doesn't bother me anymore. Protagonists tend to be perfect and there are little to no shades of grey between good and evil, with few notable exceptions (like Death Note). This isn't a bad thing per se, I accept it in GNG because it happens a lot in real life as well: biographies are often biased, and they remove important parts to make the progatonist shine like a God. For example, Cristoforo Colombo was a slave trader and slauthered entire tribes of natives, but these facts aren't well known. That's how my twisted brain tries to make sense of this all, and I rarely stop to think about inconsistencies. At least in GNG these problems as enormous as in other mangas. *cough*Naruto*cough*
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Post by Ryan on May 14, 2015 17:00:48 GMT -7
Moving my rant here, because... why not. Took a long time to type, right? Gonna get a little passionate, here, but... For those wondering why I hate Gin, this Shikoku arc is pretty much the epitome. Ben is being very sensible about the storm, has every right to DEMAND they shut up and listen because they are still HIS soldiers, and said they would just go in the morning, when it's safer, anyway. There is NO downside to listening to him and NO reason for this outright sneaky, disgusting usurping. In fact ALL of them are just betraying him for no reason. They owe GIN NOTHING. They owe BEN many of their LIVES. BEN is the one making connections and gaining loyalty through his kindness and charisma. But of course, since Gin needs to be the main star, here, Ben just gets pissed all over and does a complete character regression while Gin gets praised as a god in puppy form for basically doing the exact same thing Sniper has been doing - going behind the real leader's back to sneak around and try and take his role for literally no good reason. Now, I'm not saying Gin and Sniper have exactly the same methods, obviously, but there are still disturbing similarities that really have me wondering why one is considered the bad guy while the other isn't. New chapter additional rant: And Gin AGAIN chooses not to go with Musashi's perfectly sensible plan, and instead risks the whole mission when there was NO downside to Musashi's plan that wouldn't happen with him alone. I really do have no problem with fans having a different opinion of Gin, or even liking him. It's just something that personally pisses me off beyond belief about his character, and a rant that I'm always happy to get off my chest, LOL. If you think differently, you are obviously free to post about it, I just... really had to say all that after re-reading this volume. i enjoy your rants. it gives me a chance to see things differently rather then just blindly following the plot like i have a bad habit of doing.
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Post by Zeki on Nov 20, 2015 11:38:40 GMT -7
I feel so bad for Ben, losing his sight. John, however, is an amusingly crazed, hot-headed jerk in this volume. I love his brazen willingness to take on the Kouga, though I wish they hadn't killed so many of them... they were just being good, faithful ninja.
Call me a bleeding heart, but I feel a bit sorry for Kurojaki, too. He's clearly a bit unhinged and really wants to do right by his masters. I don't quite understand why he abandoned Chibi/Tesshin, though, when he was so upset about his apparent death.
I completely agree with everyone saying they wouldn't trust Wilson. Along with Akame, that collie is one of the few GNG dogs I completely hate - though is it just me, or does Akame come across as SLIGHTLY less robotic, sinister, and sociopathic in the manga? But back to Wilson: I would never trust a dude who tried to murder a baby in revenge. Also, his eyes creep me the fuck out.
Ben seems awfully relaxed about Cross diving into the oblivion after Wilson and Chibi, doesn't he?
Now, where on earth are those surviving Kouga who bred into the ones we see in GDW, hmm?
A minor complaint is that the manga doesn't include Gin's cute/naive 'I can see another country!' line. I like when Gin says puppyish things, since he IS just a very young guy, after all.
Gin disobeying Ben IS pretty shitty, though Ben doesn't seem to mind too terribly much. Still, Gin is impetuous and stubborn, and I also wish Yoshi had shown that as more of a fault than he did. At least Musashi sort of yells at him for jumping to conclusions, and the others call him rash and reckless for bursting into Bill's place.
I think it's hard for me to totally dislike Gin BECAUSE I over-analyze him. He was horribly abused from the time he could walk, and taken away from his mother far too soon. That kind of crap messes someone (including a dog) up a lot emotionally and psychologically, so I see him as a bit emotionally and socially stunted. His heart is in the right place, but he goes about it in very wrong, dangerous ways. I can excuse him otherwise being a Mary Sue, since that's pretty par for the course for shounen protagonists.
Actually, the main thing that annoyed me about this volume was there being yet another fight based on some hot-headed dogs thinking Ben's pack was invading.
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