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Post by M-92 Mantis on Jun 8, 2014 14:07:32 GMT -7
Lemme explain a bit more by what this topic is about. This isn't about which of your favorite characters died and you want back, this is about which character death you felt was completely unnecessary, embarrassing, premature, or all-around pointless, and why it would benefit the story better if they had remained alive.
Also, here's your last warning, folks: SPOILERS WILL NOT BE HIDDEN IN SPOILER TAGS HERE. So if you don't want to learn about any character deaths you may not have known about yet, I wouldn't recommend this thread. We'd have to hide ALL of our posts, which wouldn't make sense, instead of the occasional one or two.
With that in mind: welcome! The character can be from any of the stories. It doesn't have to be just from the Ginga series or a short story, this is for ALL AND ANY of Yoshi's stuff.
The first one I can think of in here is GB's death, in GDW. There was no real reason at all to me that he was killed off, especially in a fight with one of the most unlikable of the GDW antagonists. Yoshi usually uses death as some cheap character arc close, as if that makes a person's life complete by just dying to prove something, even though he also contradicted himself about that through Weed's beliefs of NOT having to die to have a personality. With that in mind, GB already had his arc and storytelling. He already proved he loved Weed enough to risk his own life, and had grown into more of a true godfather for him instead of the bumbling grumpy guy who was uncomfortable with a child tagging along. GB is one of the most important characters because he is a character that directly moved the story with his actions. If he hadn't found Weed, Weed and Sakura may have both died, or Weed would be left to fend for himself. If not for GB, Weed wouldn't have found as much sympathy for weaker people who are afraid of conflict (in the manga he is way more annoyed of GB's lack of sympaty for other people, but when he finds out why GB is afraid of helping others, he bonds with him and learns from it in order to grow as a character and leader of Ohu).
And despite all of this, GB just... dies. I can't shake the feeling that he died because Yoshi wanted to spark something, since the Joe arc is very short and messily placed in between the Yukimura arc and finally the Viktor arc. And while there's a style for some authors to realistically kill any and all characters no matter of their importance to the story, this isn't Game of Thrones or Attack on Titan. This is Ginga, for Pete's sake. I also feel people who believe once a character has finished their own little arc, they should be ripe for the picking. That seems incredibly off-kilter to me, because a character is a character, not a prop. So what if GB had remained alive and lived peacefully on with Weed still as a sort of son to him? What would be the harm in that? Adding trauma for the sake of trauma is disrespectful to the reader and to the characters, because it stops them from growing in a more positive sense, and instead goes for the easy route of trying to make events terrify or critically wound someone for the story to move forward. This isn't always needed, especially when it's the only type of development Ginga ever tries. There was nothing wrong with GB staying alive to reflect on the very long and strenuous adventures he had had with Weed, and as one of the main influences of his life. Not that I believe Yoshi would even remember the poor guy, but in GDWO, GB could have been one of the puppies' babysitters and been one of the best sources to tell them about their father. It would have made for a really good moment betwen the old generation and the new one (even though that entire mess of 'new generation' was completely scrapped).
It's one of those deaths that didn't make me sad or heartbroken, but instead irritated and just rolling my eyes in exhaustion. It's like in a movie or book when you know the helpful, cool, all-around nice guy is going to die some stupid forced death because he isn't a main character and the writers want to squeeze out one last amount of 'shock' to act like that enhances a story. GB wasn't my favorite character at all, but he certainly didn't deserve to die just to try making a clumsy arc interesting. Some may see it differently, which is the point of why we all have our own opinions and personalities, but I can't see how trying to toss an old character who has gone through so much into the trash to try and get a gasp out of someone is clever or well-written, especially in Yoshi's stories, where we all know death is a cheap way to try making a character useful in the end.
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Post by Kit on Jun 8, 2014 19:19:19 GMT -7
Totally agreed about GB's death. It wasn't even handled as a meaningful "he used to be too scared to go anywhere near a deadly situation but Weed meant so much to him he defied that" thing. GB had already gone through his character development and we knew that he'd be willing to die for his friends, now. So yes, it was completely for shock value, which is ALWAYS tasteless when that's basically all the scenario has going for it. No characters learned anything or changed. Hell, GB was never even mentioned again after then generic Narrator Man speech about how amazing he was. (If he's so amazing, why was he offed like he meant nothing, hm?)
One of mine is actually Joe. Now, I know I've ranted and raved about how much I hate Joe as both a character and plot device, but his death was a load of garbage, even by my standards for him. He gave his life to save his nephew, which, in my opinion, is the ONLY upstanding thing he's done for any member of his family, seeing as he treated his own son like dirt and then proceeded to forget he existed, completely. If it had been touched on that he gave so much to make up for all he put Yukimura through, or how he treated Weed when they first met, or his disgusting abuse towards his son Koushirou, this would have actually meant something. Instead he literally just died with so little purpose that it took Yoshi publicly stating his demise had indeed occurred for fans to have any clue he'd up and died just like that. What's worse is that it changed absolutely nothing for the story. It affected Orion a whopping 0% and he still ran around not being sensitive to death or having guilt or ANY realistic emotion. It just... happened. When someone dies for you, no child just kind of shrugs their shoulders and waits for the next 'villain's' head they can Battouga off while Narrator Man continues rambling about how full of justice he is. Congratulations Joe, your death couldn't even make your nephew more likeable or 3-dimentional. I don't even know if Weed or Gin cared at all, and THAT is really depressing.
I'm going to mention Ben's death here as well, because I think it made me more livid than anyone's. Now... I really have no problem with Ben dying where he did in the series, because GDW was bound to involve at least a few of the oldies dying off, and Ben was one of the older ones, even in GNG. The reason it bothered me so much was because of how Ben had been treated throughout both GNG and GDW. My feelings on him being one the best characters in Ginga aside, I felt that his only purpose once Yoshi decided Gin had to be the center of attention was that he had degraded into the series' punching bag for absolutely no reason. He was built up as this amazing, respectable man who genuinely influenced those around him for the better, but then he didn't even make it half-way into GNG before he was moved to the backseat by being blinded. He then did a complete 180 in that his opinions and actions didn't matter anymore because he was "useless" and just stuck in the background. Okay, bad enough... but then when he returns in GDW, we find out that Yoshi decided to give him dementia and degrade him from a proud leader trying to spread justice to a bumbling feeble old man who can't even remember his own wife and kids half the time. After him being placed there as basically a huge joke a giant middle finger to any old fans of him, we get his death... he dies offscreen, in his sleep. Don't get me wrong, I think going in your sleep is probably one of the best ways anything can go, but in Ginga, with its themes, it's pretty much a joke. None of the other old soldiers were treated like Ben was. They were fully lucid, even though some of them were even older than Ben, himself, and they were all given the courtesy of a typical "manly" Ginga death, where they at least saved a friend and got that meaning to their name. Ben was basically the reason Gin was who he was to Ohu, and he gets... this. Even his own wife doesn't feel the need to think about him while having a flashback of her old flame with Unsai, or whatever that was about in GDWO. The dogs still talk about Riki to this day, in Yoshi's stories, but Ben (who had a lot more screen-time and impact, in my opinion) just literally faded from existence with not even an ounce of dignity or purpose to the arc.
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Post by Klomonx on Jun 8, 2014 19:23:10 GMT -7
John's. Oh and Moss's. At first, I didn't mind John's death. I didn't understand it - Hougen, though a good antagonist, never seemed to be....a worthy opponent. John took down hunting animals, he was used to it. Hougen...was locked in a shed and forced other dogs to eat each other? At least in the anime. I don't see how - other than age - that John died. Hell, why didn't they wait a little longer until John was healed? Why didn't Lefty/Roshi/Tomi decide to force John to leave? Why didn't Akame die, as it would have served MUCH more purpose that could have spurred GDW:O's characters instead of just having them appear like freaking jack in the boxes. But I didn't mind it, of all the character's to die, I think Yoshi did his right. I mean, you could let Ben die off naturally, but damnit, John wanted to go down fighting. It made sense. It wasn't until Yoshi bitch-slapped the Finnish fandom in the face with Andy, a carbon copy of John, that I felt it was stupid. Moss because even looking at the pictures of Tesshin's reaction makes me friggen tear up and I wanted more explanation of their relationship. Oh and as I'm writing, just about every side character in GDW. Chutora's sons, Jerome's helpers, and Rocket's brothers. Oh and Nero. Why did they fight an army that was obviously too strong, that's stupid, not honorable. Why did Jerome and co. track down P4 with such a stuppid plan, when they could have easily taken him out the way they did with the branch. And why can't humans figure out P4's OBVIOUS WEAK SPOT?! Rocket's brothers could have been a great antagonist, shit. Revenge on their brother, a reversal of Kai Bros. Could have developed Kage and his brother's more, plus reveal wtf happened to Chutora. And Nero - it's just awful leadership on Hougen's part to kill allies. Especially allies that seemed to have a pretty decent grasp on territory. No wonder he lost, you need some comrades... I agree that Joe seemed really fly-by-night, Kit . Why bring him in to just kill him off so soon -- especially as he was proclaimed dead for most of the series.
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Post by M-92 Mantis on Jun 8, 2014 19:55:30 GMT -7
At first, I didn't mind John's death. I didn't understand it - hougen, though a good antagonist, never seemed to be....a worthy opponent. John took down hunting animals, he was used to it. Hougen...was locked in a shed and forced other dogs to eat eachother? At least in the anime. I don't see how - other than age - that John died. Hell, why didn't they wait a little longger until John was healed? Why didn't Lefty/Roshi/Tomi decide to force John to leave? Why didn't Akame die, as it would have served MUCH more purpose that could have spurred GDW:O's characters instead of just having them appear like freaking jack in the boxes. It wasn't until Yoshi bitch-slapped the Finnish fandom in the face with Andy, a carbon copy of John, that I felt it was stupid. Why did they fight an army that was obviously too strong, that's stupid, not honourable. Why did Jerome and co. track down P4 with such a stuppid plan, when they could have easily taken him out the way they did with the branch. And why can't humans figure out P4's OBVIOUSWEAK SPOT?! Rocket's brothers could have been a great antagonist, shit. Revenge on their brother, a reversal of Kai Bros. Could have developped Kage and his brother's more, plus reveal wtf happened to Chutora. And Nero - it's just awful leadership on Hougen's part to kill allies. Especially allies that seemed to have a pretty decent grasp on territory. No wonder he lost, you need some sort of comradery... I agree with everything here. I'm not a John fan, I'm obviously one of the Hougenator, but even then... the way Yoshi hypes up every single character makes it awkward trying to compare everyone's strengths. Everyone turns out stronger than everyone else, despite someone a chapter behind being called "the super duper strongest guy who ever lived PERIOD", and then a newer character just rehashes it.. making apparently EVERYONE who lives in Ohu the strongest guy ever. Hougen's reason for winning all the time is clearly steroids, though. Jokes aside, I think the main thing that held John back was the numbers that he kept fighting, and his pride (although I don't think Yoshi went that deep into it). John and Gin and Akame are pretty old, as it was stated, so getting overwhelmed by Hougen's goons and beaten to within an inch of their lives did a huge number on them. Gin, at least, was mentioned to have torn his ligaments or tendons - I can't remember the exact details - but it was the main reason he couldn't even stand. Plus they were all dehydrated and severely malnourished. The only thing Hougen did to make sure they didn't get too close to death was have his army all sleep in the shed to keep Gin warm so he didn't freeze to death, but I have no idea what food he and John and Hiro got, if any at all. So there's that, John's age, plus John would be extremely embarrassed to avoid a battle. Still, like you said with all of the details, John's death didn't really save Hiro and Reika. In fact, Weed and the gang seemed pretty damn close to John's location, so John didn't even distract Hougen long enough to make a nice distance between his army and Hiro/Reika. They DID get away, but John could have made a false trail and distracted Hougen long enough to run away, making the group separate, but with John still alive. This sounds more like something Akame would've done, though.. he would've handled it way better, being the squirrel he is. As for the Kai bros, I agree 100% with the "it's stupid, not honorable" bit. Samurai surrendered and retreated countless times in battles; it depended on the circumstances to make it either shameful or courageous. There is no sense of reality in someone thinking they can take on hundreds and hundreds of enemies, and then trying to send an EXTREMELY important message once everyone else dies. That's incredibly risky since that means you are the last target for this entire army, and you have to somehow escape and run all the way to Mutsu. This would've been way easier with three additional brothers to help scatter the army, distract them, and take turns running to the Four Kings. Plus you could then continue living and fighting in a lot more battles to continue defending or taking territory...
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Post by Klomonx on Jun 8, 2014 20:04:11 GMT -7
That reminds me. Benizakura's death never made sense to me. I loved it, it had a symbolism that I felt was really rare in Ginga (I could go into this if you'd like), but I didn't understand how "the strongest dog ever" could get his leg stuck in rope and NOT be able to slide it out - especially with Gin there. Gin leaped out of the water with Kurotora. Water reduces gravity, it should have been fairly easy to slip the leg out and pull him to the surface. What would have made sense would be for the bear and Beni to kill each other, or for Beni to drop dead from brain damage as we can only assume Akatora did (which was, in my opinion, one of the best executed deaths in Ginga. GNG was good at making me miss characters).
Ginga would make more sense if there was a way to determine who exactly was stronger than who and what they were stronger at. Ninja dogs could be fast, weak, and accurate. Toses slow and strong. the fact there isn't any sort of guide to who or how someone is stronger than another is what leads to my confusion. I've never thought a Great Dane would win in most battles, due to the fact their legs are simply a break away from destroying them. Plus they aren't exactly the aggressive type, but it's silly to go by that in Ginga.
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Post by M-92 Mantis on Jun 9, 2014 2:36:39 GMT -7
I didn't watch the GNG anime far enough to reach Beni, but I HAVE seen the death scene (I hardly remember any of it, now, but I did like how it was treated), and yeah, the rope wasn't even tied up to him, it was just loosely wrapped once over his ankle. I know rope can also hold tightly to the skin like that, but like you said, Gin can propel himself from the water like a dolphin. I'm assuming everyone else can, too, like with the weird levitating spin any random character can do to twist at someone's throat. It's one of those things you know anyone can do, especially one of the elite, and supposedly the literal strongest dog in the world couldn't yank himself free or just nudge the rope with his paws or something.
Since Beni was a fighting dog, I'd assume Yoshi wanted him to die either way because of that whole macho man death-makes-you-cool shtick, but drowning is particularly odd, and I don't know if Yoshi purposefully did it to make it seem unusual that the strongest dog ever would die from asphyxiation. It may also be kinda clever to say that nothing living actually killed him... but I think there would've been other ways to do it. BUT I don't think Beni should've died... at least not without being in the final battle to help. I'm starting to like the old dude, and I think it would've been perfect if he was in the final battle and did a number on the bears. He's the strongest dog in the entire world, for Pete's sake - I want to see him up against the main enemies!
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Post by Chiyo-The-Doberman on Sept 6, 2014 4:24:00 GMT -7
I think there was a ton of unnecessary deaths in the Ginga series. But a lot of the anime ones are more confusing, because you really don't get a lot of the backstory behind it. For example; Sniper. Supposed to be a good fighting dog, fast and strong. He was (in the anime) pushed over a cliff by a blind great dane, never to be seen again. I only found out yesterday what actually happened to him. One character that just needs to stop almost dying is Gin. Before everyone starts a shitstorm; I don't like Gin, I much prefer John. I think Gin is really a bit of a pussy, always helping everyone and giving them a second chance, and Weed is a carbon copy of Gin, which is just a little bit lame. This has kind of turned into a rant about Gin and Weed, so I'm going to shut up now
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Post by Genji on Sept 25, 2014 8:01:02 GMT -7
(Gin and Weed are carbon copies? Now, that’s a good one)
--- I haven’t read GDW manga, so I will only talk about deaths I know (GNG and GDW anime for the most part). However, from what I gathered, there’s quite a number of them in the GDW manga, and almost all of them sound like it was for shock value.
Now, for the deaths I find which shouldn’t have happened. Benizakura. Just… strongest dog in the world, y’know? Drowning because he couldn’t get a paw out of a rope. I mean, it was odd. It would have made more sense for characters like Akame to die this way (with the water ninja thing).
All of Jerome’s team (against P4). Dumb plan, poor execution, a complete disaster… and all that could have been easily solved, without anyone dying. Bravo.
Nero. I mean, why would you kill someone like Nero? He obviously could have done much more for Hougen’s army, even if he wasn’t a big deal. But Hougen couldn’t bear the thought of having him just because he was beaten by Gin-super-awesome-leader and his two awesome sidekicks? It doesn’t make much sense.
Rocket’s brothers, of course. It could have developed into such an interesting story and poignant turn of events. But nope, Yoshi was just lazy in the end, and dumped the brothers as soon as Rocket was with the "good" team.
Chutora’s sons. Downright moronic, everyone will agree. WHY? This will for ever be my one question.
Now, about character’s death I feel were poorly exectuted, but could have been interesting if done right. Jerome, in the anime. Same as chutora’s sons, it’s moronic. Why would you keep a bullet in your leg, a bullet that could turn havoc on EVERYTHING you fought for and ending up actually helping your enemy? Even though I don’t like the character, it’s doesn’t seem quite right. Perhaps he could have been fighting against Genba, or one of Hougen’s platoon leader. Or just… bringing down Hougen with him? The latter would have made a lot of more sense, considering Weed banished him from his team because he couldn’t be non-violent. And to bring down Weed’s nemesis in such a way… it’s like he would have helped Weed all along, but at the same time he would never have stop being a thorn in his side. And it could have made a path to further develop Gin’s ideals, delusions, and ways of dealing with people like Jerome.
John. More in the sense that it was very, very stupid and easily avoidable, as much as it made sense for such a stubborn and proud character. I don’t know, it really seems he was just thrown out of the big picture a little too early. I would have loved to see more tension build between him and Hougen, and having him thinking more strategically, for once. It could have ended in a much more interesting battle, where he would actually hold off Hougen in order to bring down some of his forces. And when Hougen notices it would be too late, and then the dane becomes the anger and frustration ball he was portrayed as in the anime’s scene.
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Post by Klomonx on Sept 25, 2014 8:06:47 GMT -7
Genji I remember reading John was killed off simply because people confused him with Jerome. (Which makes no sense as Yoshi just throws in Andy, anyway).
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Post by Genji on Sept 25, 2014 9:05:21 GMT -7
That confirms my suspicions. Still: Yoshi, what the heck? :notimpressedplz:
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Post by M-92 Mantis on Sept 25, 2014 17:14:59 GMT -7
Andy in GDWO, IF he really did die (you can't ever trust the English sites with their constant misconceptions), would be one of the most aggravating of deaths. I will explain why I feel that way for a character I hate with a passion. Andy was made in 'tribute' to Finland. By 'tribute' I mean Yoshi totally twisted his promise about making a Karelian Bear Dog as the representation of Finland in thanks for their support, and instead ruined John's entire canon just to make a clone of him. If John really was killed because Yoshi thought he looked too much like Jerome, Andy's existence makes his death an even bigger blow to any fan's stomach 9along with Viktor and all the main Russian dog characters looking the same).
Andy was one of Yoshi's 'false advertisement characters', meaning he was created just to try luring in unsuspecting readers into thinking there was some big new character and there'd be a twist in the plot of the current series. For example, Weed's brothers: Yukimura and Joe were never once mentioned by Sakura or Weed throughout the series until the Hougen arc ended and Yoshi wanted an excuse to continue the story, so Weed literally has a dream remembering his brothers being given to Saheiji and tells everyone, and coincidentially, meets up with Yukimura, who is SOMEHOW having a huge battle with talking monkeys and a giant axe-wielding puppy-eating monkey that no one else has ever noticed despite traveling all around Japan, humans and dogs included. Yukimura ends up telling Weed their other brother, Joe, is dead, so Yukimura is the focus character for his monkey arc. He dies. Shougun dies. What now?
Well now, here comes Viktor and his group to try taking over Ohu because... they want more land or a new land that just happens to be Ohu? I admit I haven't paid much attention to this arc to know much of the details, all I know is Maxim and Lydia's father sent the troop to Japan for some claim of territory. Now we have a new Hougen and another arc for the series. Viktor dies and there's peace among the remaining war dogs and Ohu.
But wait! After Weed meets his new girlfriend, Koyuki, suddenly Joe pops out of nowhere, totally alive and well! That brother that we thought was dead isn't dead! Oh and there's suddenly a giant hybrid bear that's bigger and badder than Akakabuto but is somehow less influential and taken down pretty quick. Joe's arc ends because Yoshi thinks he 'looks too much like Weed' and GDWO begins, and he uses this series as an excuse to kill Joe because he's not 'useful' anymore.
But hold on, guys! You know that guy you liked? John? Well here's his clone nephew from Finland, even though John was given English commands and never once mentioned to be from Finland by Hidetoshi. Andy is a new character who is influential and important and trying to keep up appearances as GDWO being the 'new generation' despite Jerome and Lydia and Reika and Hiro's pups not having any lines at all or teaming up with Weed's children, and having completely new characters in the cast who apparently didn't want to help out with the other wars equals as a generation, now, despite most being older than Orion. Well, Andy's here to relive that spark of defiance that John had, and he's being advertised everywhere as a new addition to the gang and--
Andy died.
These characters serve no purpose aside from trying to coax you into buying the books. Yukimura was forgotten, Joe's death was so pathetic that people couldn't even TELL that he was dead and had to ask Yoshi. Yoshi admitted to even not liking Yukimura or Joe's arcs, same as how he didn't like adding in the Hakkenshi wolf arc. See a pattern here? Andy wasn't a character and he wasn't a model of thanks for Finland's support; he was a quick cash-in prop and, even if he hasn't died, he certainly has not done a single thing to move the plot on his own, from what the current 'translations' can tell. Andy was a tool for marketing and had no amount of effort put into him like John did, and lots of people are admitting it and feeling cheated.
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Post by Klomonx on Sept 26, 2014 5:39:03 GMT -7
I agree 100%, M-92 Mantis . Andy is probably the single most hated character for me simply because Yoshi just. Used him to cash in. Yoshi needs to learn, also, that sometimes short series can be just as good as the ultra friggen long ones. And those long ones, often, contain more serious matter that helps them string along, not just some random details and enemies and shit (now ones like Bleach etc. are the exception here). Oh can I mention Hyena? No one has mentioned him yet and I'd like to make an argument for him. Yes, Hyena was fairly cowardly and annoying in GNG, but of all the dogs I honestly think he was quite relatable. There's a freaking war going on, not every male can stack up to the ideals Ginga has, and Hyena has to deal with the very real issue that he has to make up for what he can't be. So, he's manipulated endlessly by Sniper, hoping it'll help him get a little more respect. Sniper is also using him because of how cowardly he is - if nothing else, Hyena is simply being bullied by everyone and no one really tries to stick up for him or tell him 'it's okay you're not manly, go home and be yourself.' And then, Hyena has a guilty conscious. He kills himself because he can't believe Ben and Sniper died all because of him, in the end. Hyena's emotions are what a changing character SHOULD be; they should be the last person to make their realization. So, fine, I was okay with it. And then Ben is found out to be alive. Okay, well, Sniper was evil, it's good he got his comeuppance. ... And then Sniper comes back in GDW. ...... So Hyena was the only dog to die going off of a cliff into nowheres land. What was the point? Yoshi just tosses away any significance to Hyena's change of heart, and just makes him out to be a loser dog who deserved to die.
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Post by Chani on Sept 26, 2014 6:46:22 GMT -7
Genji I remember reading John was killed off simply because people confused him with Jerome. (Which makes no sense as Yoshi just throws in Andy, anyway). I've never heard of that before. Can you remember where did you read it? Well now, here comes Viktor and his group to try taking over Ohu because... they want more land or a new land that just happens to be Ohu? I admit I haven't paid much attention to this arc to know much of the details, all I know is Maxim and Lydia's father sent the troop to Japan for some claim of territory. Now we have a new Hougen and another arc for the series. Viktor dies and there's peace among the remaining war dogs and Ohu. Andy died. The Russian war dogs tried to take over Hokkaidō, because their own land is a harsh place to live in (they were abandoned by humans). Viktor is the more typical villain who just wants power, though, as he betrayed Maxim and Lydia's father and wants Hokkaidō for himself or something like that. Andy isn't dead. He stayed in Ōu and abandoned his owner like John did. Hidetoshi doesn't mind and (of course) mentioned how Andy is like John. -__- And the deaths I feel are unnecessary: GB: His death just really seemed like Yoshi's attempt to have something shocking or interesting happen in an unnecessary arc. Though GB had already turned braver and grown as a character (he attacked Shōgun several times, for example), he was reverted back into a cowardly dog to make this death scene happen. Also I don't like how he was killed by a very unnecessary villain and how he seems to be completely forgotten in GDWO. Joe: Joe isn't one of my favorite characters, but it would've been nice to see more of him since he's Weed's brother and Yukimura died so quickly. But no. His death was just quite pointless and so unclear that fans weren't even sure was he even dead or not. Did his father and brother ever even hear about his death?! And Yoshi's reasons for his death: he felt Joe had no purpose anymore and looked too much like Weed... There's several other characters that I feel are more unnecessary and should die already! And where the heck is Joe's son? Did he die randomly, too, because he looked like Orion?Shōji, Buru and Dodo: Their deaths were a bit pointless, at least the way they happened. They had an important mission yet they jumped right in the middle of an enemy army? That's just... stupid in many ways. Hyena (anime version): Hyena's character development and portrayal was already a bit ruined in the anime version, but his death was just... NO. In the manga, he heard Ben's voice, jumped down to rescue him and was seen attacking Sniper. Later in GDW it was revealed that after that he finally talked back to Sniper and told him he had changed. He gave his life to save Ben and kill Sniper (sure, Sniper turned out to be alive, but the point is that Hyena changed and Ben survived). In the anime version, Hyena pretty much commits a suicide right after the narrator mentioned that his courage and sense of justice had woken up (he did not hear Ben's howl like in the manga version and thought he was dead). Jerome (anime version): Saving Weed is a very fitting death for Jerome. But him dying because he wanted to leave a bullet in his leg is just stupid. It REALLY seems like the anime version wanted to make Jerome seem like the better fighter who only loses because of the bullet, but the truth is that Hōgen can easily kick Jerome's ass, with or without the bullet.
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Post by Klomonx on Sept 26, 2014 7:28:29 GMT -7
Chani ginga.wikia.com/wiki/John Under trivia. I know Ginga Wiki is not the most reliable >_> but it seems pretty Yoshi-esque, given the reasons he killed off other characters. Perhaps there's some interview from Finland somewhere where he says it? I don't know.
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Post by Chani on Sept 26, 2014 8:13:18 GMT -7
Chani ginga.wikia.com/wiki/John Under trivia. I know Ginga Wiki is not the most reliable >_> but it seems pretty Yoshi-esque, given the reasons he killed off other characters. Perhaps there's some interview from Finland somewhere where he says it? I don't know. I looked through interviews, but saw no mention of that. That doesn't make much sense to me, since Jerome and John were never even seen together. They were in completely different places and they don't even look that similar in the first place.
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