GDW:O Was A Flop?

[Kuro]

I've been feeling curious of people's opinions or facts about GDWO recently, but it seems to be pretty empty here...

The only thing I've learned is that the GDWO manga was a flop! Could anyone give me any information about why it was? Did people not like Orion? Was it the downgrade of the artstyle? Was it the story being too complex or too long of an arc instead of taking the GDW route and making multiple arcs in one series? Or... does Gin/Weed not being the main protagonist actually screw up its chances? Because if it's that one.... that'd suck. 

I'm also curious to know where people get their info about the Ginga series' successes and downfalls. o:

[tenrou]

I remember somewhere someone found a top 30 current manga list for japan and GDW was in there at the time, with average sales, so i guess if you kept track of something like that you might be able to figure out whether its a success or not.

Midway through GDW was where Ginga went floppy for me. Orion was......ok. Mostly its the repetitive and boring art. Its not drawn very well anymore. Sure, theres nice panels and occasionally you get some good drawings but not really. 30 Volumes for Orion was way too long, imo.

[kolasis]

I haven't read the entire thing yet, but man, the art in Orion is... not good. And the whole "Date Masamune's life, except with doggies" plot sounds pretty lazy. Plus, the months-old puppies who can beat up adult dogs with roundhouse kicks are getting younger and younger, at this rate Orion's sons will battuga out of the womb.

[Kuro]

Sept 5, 2017 6:47:01 GMT -7 kolasis said:

Orion's sons will battuga out of the womb.

LOL I could see this.

But true.. this one changed a lot of the usual standards. The protagonist wasn't the only little kid. He was more little than the others. And then the villain was based on something that already exists ... combined with Yoshi not trying as hard on the art to impress people at first either, it makes sense as to why not many people gave it a chance or liked it.

[kolasis]

Sept 5, 2017 8:07:27 GMT -7 Kuro said:

Sept 5, 2017 6:47:01 GMT -7 kolasis said:

Orion's sons will battuga out of the womb.

LOL I could see this.

But true.. this one changed a lot of the usual standards. The protagonist wasn't the only little kid. He was more little than the others. And then the villain was based on something that already exists ... combined with Yoshi not trying as hard on the art to impress people at first either, it makes sense as to why not many people gave it a chance or liked it.

I want to say plus the Bellatrix fiasco, but I don't really know how the Japanese fandom reacted to her treatment.

[Kuro]

Hmm, what's this fiasco on Bellatrix? I wasn't around during GWDO's focus so I missed general thoughts of her.
I just know she was the cry baby of the 4 and immediately put into a pet home despite being named 'female warrior'. Irritating and disappointing for sure, especially for a pup in this bloodline, but sad to say I wasn't too surprised he'd choose to do that.

[ninniastaroth]

I actually really enjoyed GDWO.
On the other hand, I guess I'm not very picky when it comes to Ginga manga, I don't really care if it's overpowered or things like that...

What I liked so much with GDWO is the story, characters, designs and actually the art.
I really liked the villains in it, unlike Hougen and Kamakiri, etc...
Masamune, Masashige and the Kurokirimaru brothers (and others) designs are really cool and interesting.
Another thing I like is the different story, it involves more sides, like Masamune's, Gennai and Rigel. It's fun to see what they're doing.
(I could mention other stuff too, but I'll not mention them right now :'P)

And ofcourse, there are downsides aswell, but I don't really want to hate on the newer series when so many other people do.
People seem to focus a lot on the bad stuff, especially on TLW.

(I guess this isn't really related to whether it was a flop or not...)

[Kuro]

Sept 5, 2017 12:31:19 GMT -7 ninniastaroth said:

I actually really enjoyed GDWO.
On the other hand, I guess I'm not very picky when it comes to Ginga manga, I don't really care if it's overpowered or things like that...

What I liked so much with GDWO is the story, characters, designs and actually the art.
I really liked the villains in it, unlike Hougen and Kamakiri, etc...
Masamune, Masashige and the Kurokirimaru brothers (and others) designs are really cool and interesting.
Another thing I like is the different story, it involves more sides, like Masamune's, Gennai and Rigel. It's fun to see what they're doing.
(I could mention other stuff too, but I'll not mention them right now :'P)

And ofcourse, there are downsides aswell, but I don't really want to hate on the newer series when so many other people do.
People seem to focus a lot on the bad stuff, especially on TLW.

(I guess this isn't really related to whether it was a flop or not...)

Woohoo! I agree completely! o: This one had way more character development and the bond with the husky bros is my fav part The are I feel like can ignore because its not like it was best part of ginga.
I too don't care about how OP or impossible these dogs are lol

[kek]

Sept 2, 2017 21:14:13 GMT -7 Kuro said:

I've been feeling curious of people's opinions or facts about GDWO recently, but it seems to be pretty empty here...

The only thing I've learned is that the GDWO manga was a flop! Could anyone give me any information about why it was? Did people not like Orion? Was it the downgrade of the artstyle? Was it the story being too complex or too long of an arc instead of taking the GDW route and making multiple arcs in one series? Or... does Gin/Weed not being the main protagonist actually screw up its chances? Because if it's that one.... that'd suck. 

I'm also curious to know where people get their info about the Ginga series' successes and downfalls. o:

Do you mean a financial flop, or a flop within the fandom?
I don't know about it's financial success, but to run for 30 volumes I think it must have done ok. I can say when it was being released, there definitely the general consensus within the fandom that it was a flop. I think it came down to a few things.

-  The biggest reason IMO. There were no translations or full scans to see or understand what was going on.
Originally Mizzkie would give some written summaries, and a Japanese blogger would post a few photos from each new chapter. After a while we only had the few images from the Japanese blogger, and it was very difficult to understand anything that was happening in the story. We were happy to have the information we had of course, but it was a stark difference to now with the full scans and translations we have been getting for TLW.

- There were so many new characters. As with the above, not understanding what was happening in the story, people were very disgruntled about the amount of new characters that were appearing every so often. It looked as if the story was very random and had no direction.
Some people also felt many of the new character designs were too...adventurous I guess. Masamune was getting a bit of criticism for being a 'sparkle dog' due to his hair and accessories for example.

- The main cast had disappeared. A lot people were constantly wondering what was happening with the main cast after the volcano eruption, but this story was simply not about them for the majority of the series.

-People were really optimistic about the series when it first started. Orion was going to be like Riki, which was very well received since many people were tired of Weed's forgiving character. They were also really happy to see it was an volcano eruption, a natural disaster, that the dogs were up against this time. It seemed new and fresh.
Then as the story progressed, it became not about the disaster, but about ninja clans taking over Ouu. People were very tired of this concept. I think Orion was also a bit disappointing for some people, he was much more bratty and less heroic than Riki I think.

-The art quality. Which people had been complaining about since the later part of the Weed series.

Those are the main reasons coming to mind. I think there's been a big difference in people's opinions about the series since then though.
I echo ninniastaroth's points. It's one of, if not my favourite Ginga series.
I love the designs even though some of them took time to adjust to. I love the different character arcs and for once I find so many of the villain characters very likable, I usually don't in Ginga stories.
And yes I agree it has it's downsides too, as with any of the series though

[uru]

Also, Takahashi tried to change the world quite a lot and many fans didn't like that. For example, Tesshin could never learn to do proper Battouga, but some random side character dogs could. I think battouga was only used 2-3 times and then it returned to the main characters only.

Then there was Tenka who could kill birds by looking at them. When Takahashi was in Finland, I think he mentioned that Japanese fans didn't like that and he had to lessen Tenka's powers.

There is few ways to see how popular the series is. One is to check if it gets to some Top10/Top30 list.
Second is to see often series gets color pages/pictures at cover. WEED was really popular and it's first 30 volumes got lot of color pages (I think over 20 or something). Rest of WEED got 5-6 color pages and Orion got 2: at the beginning and 100th chapter. Akame got 2 color pages but most likely because it was to celebrate Ginga-serieses 30th birth day. Last Wars has gotten 3 color pages: 1th chapter, 1 random and 100th chapter. LW has been in cover a lot with small pictures too.

[Kuro]

I guess that makes sense. I found it interesting that other dogs could learn it, even if not complete like the Akitas. The mindcontrol thing was strange and made it a bit too fantasy, so I can see the disconnection for sure.

Oh wow! Thanks for that link, that shows a lot for sure. Crazy to think about that...
That makes sense! @ the colored pages though o: