Complete 4th Volume for Ginga Nagareboshi Gin

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[Kit]

Moving my rant here, because... why not. Took a long time to type, right?

Gonna get a little passionate, here, but... For those wondering why I hate Gin, this Shikoku arc is pretty much the epitome.

Ben is being very sensible about the storm, has every right to DEMAND they shut up and listen because they are still HIS soldiers, and said they would just go in the morning, when it's safer, anyway. There is NO downside to listening to him and NO reason for this outright sneaky, disgusting usurping. In fact ALL of them are just betraying him for no reason. They owe GIN NOTHING. They owe BEN many of their LIVES. BEN is the one making connections and gaining loyalty through his kindness and charisma.

But of course, since Gin needs to be the main star, here, Ben just gets pissed all over and does a complete character regression while Gin gets praised as a god in puppy form for basically doing the exact same thing Sniper has been doing - going behind the real leader's back to sneak around and try and take his role for literally no good reason. Now, I'm not saying Gin and Sniper have exactly the same methods, obviously, but there are still disturbing similarities that really have me wondering why one is considered the bad guy while the other isn't.

New chapter additional rant: And Gin AGAIN chooses not to go with Musashi's perfectly sensible plan, and instead risks the whole mission when there was NO downside to Musashi's plan that wouldn't happen with him alone.

I really do have no problem with fans having a different opinion of Gin, or even liking him. It's just something that personally pisses me off beyond belief about his character, and a rant that I'm always happy to get off my chest, LOL. If you think differently, you are obviously free to post about it, I just... really had to say all that after re-reading this volume.

[TheShikoku]

Something bugged me... at page 120 (chapter 22), John asks if Hyena is one of Riki's follower's.. But I believe at this time nobody knows the big boss is Riki, do they ? :/

[M-92 Mantis]

Yeah they do, whenever Gin or Ben have mentioned Riki as the supreme commander. The thing is, the newcomers to Ohu haven't met Riki yet, but John has when he abandoned Daisuke to die and Riki came in to save him, and John got owned by Riki in one hit. Hyena seems to have been working for Sniper for a while, and may have seen Riki since Sniper was close to Riki.

IF he said that before he had met Riki and lost to him during their battle, then it does sound kinda weird.. John could've asked if he was just part of Ohu instead of being specific, but I'm definitely sure Ben and Gin have constantly been mentioning to newcomers who is in charge of Ohu. Like Moss knew who Riki was from what he had heard, but had never met him.

I could have mixed something up since I don't read GNG (I only know what's going on from when I typeset it), so someone else should be able to answer more clearly for you .

[Kit]

John met Riki with Gin back when he was first revealed up on his Pride Rock telling them to journey in the first place, and then again when they fought. I'm assuming he heard the name during one of those times.

But what I assume what you're really asking is "how does Riki know to introduce himself as Riki when he has amnesia?" Well... the entire amnesia thing is full of plot holes and inconsistencies, honestly. Riki mentions that he's only missing memories from the past six months, which would make sense in the fact that he remembers his name, but not why he never went back to Gohei - who had the same goal of defeating Akakabuto as him - or why he doesn't remember Gin, who was earlier claimed as being a year old by this point. I think chapter 2 (vol 1) said that Riki did not know that puppy Gin was his, at the time, but at the end of the Akakabuto arc I'm pretty sure I remember:

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... that once Riki gets his memories back, he instantly realizes that the puppy he was saving back then was, indeed, Gin. And it also says that he "now understands why he holds such rage towards Akakabuto." So... that makes things more confusing as it again breaks continuity about how much memory he lost, if he wouldn't make the connection of "oh, this kid must be that puppy I saw before losing my memory!" just as quickly upon first meeting adolescent Gin, or that he would remember his time with Gohei and being raised to kill Akakabuto, but not know why he hated Akakabuto...

But I realize you could also mean that the dogs should recognize the name Riki if he was so famous, but no one's making the connection besides Gin. In which case... no, they don't seem to have any knowledge of him before his life as their boss. Everyone besides Gin and John (and obviously those they recruit on the journey) are implied to have worked for him for a while and know his real name and everything, but nobody is aware of his past life - just his name and current status. And John didn't believe Gin when he claimed the boss was his father, anyway, and I'm pretty sure Gin never told him "my dad was a red Akita named Riki" before they saw him.

tl;dr: Yes, they all know it's Riki, but no one besides Gin knows who Riki was prior to becoming their boss.

[TheShikoku]

Oh, I see, thank you for explaining, I was confused.

[Lukrietz]

I think there's an error on page 12, in the second panel. Gin says "So the cannibals and ones in the tree are called the Kouga...", shouldn't it be "the ones"? Hm... I bet there are people here who are better at English grammar than me, but I thought I'd point it out. just in case.

Kit: Yeah, Gin's behaviour is really stupid in all of those instances. I still rather like Gin, but I admit it partly has to do with nostalgia reasons (as he was my favourite character when I first started watching the anime, and he's kinda stuck with me), partly because of his design. To be honest, that seems to be the case with most characters in Yoshi's stories; people like them for pretty shallow reasons, like their design and to some degree their personalities, not because they're deep or complex characters. It seems like most of them showcase some bad qualities, doing/saying something stupid at one point or another, like Gin did in this volume, or with Ben doing that weird regression without proper... justification as to why he changed his mind. Of course, I'm not as knowledgeable when it comes to Ginga as you are, so I'm probably overlooking some characters. But... yeah. I've said it before, but it would've been really great if Yoshi could put some more depth to his characters, but oh well.

[Kit]

LOL, well... I really don't have any problem with people liking a character I don't, and I do see what could be appealing about Gin. For me, his bad qualities have just always overshadowed everything else, and I get very annoyed - not because he's popular in spite of it, but because he's supposed to be the "ideal" and "perfect" character who can do no real wrong within the story in spite of it.

But like you said, that's true of all the characters, simply because they're all supposed to inherently be the embodiment of justice instead of growing at all and becoming such good people through a learning experience. And even when they do "grow" it's merely an instantaneous phenomenon, lol. Like Kisaragi trying to have a kid tortured to death, killing someone trying to defend said kid, and then changing into a "good guy/embodiment of justice" within the span of a few pages.

Or my favorite example; Jerome... (Getting into unpopular opinion mode again, here) P4 was mutilated horribly every day, with only his "friend" for comfort and strength. When he snapped and went on his rampage, he still had honor enough to hesitate in killing that friend, but instead of feeling the same or showing any sympathy, Jerome hunted him down without a second thought or any mercy, and basically called him a horrible person for not letting the humans continue to torture him. Yet HE (Jerome) is portrayed as the amazing, perfect hand of justice throughout the entire scenario, to the point where not even Weed - infamous for his empathy - questioned him, once.

Just... What. I think you got something wrong there, Yoshi, LOL. Just because you later add a scene or two of him emo-ing out about being an assassin who got all his men to commit suicide does not change the fact that you portrayed him as the one in the positive light.

ANYWAY, I don't really think fans have much of a choice in just choosing a favorite based on shallow traits, since in my opinion that's all Yoshi characters usually have going for them. I just personally lean towards characters who have qualities I'd look up to in real life, such as trying their best to inspire the "pay it forward" chain reaction so that more fights and grudges don't have to be instigated, like Weed, or Ben's earned charisma, and the characters who try to be brave and supportive even though they know they lack physical strength, like manga-Reika. Even if those characters are still written fairly poorly or shallowly in the series.

Holy crap, I'm sorry that was so damn long...

[M-92 Mantis]

By Yoshi character traits, you basically usually have to choose who you like most on a scale of who is the least insensitive and arrogant prick. There are no right answers... everyone loses, either way. With that being said I just miss when Ben was regarded as important.

Aaaand as for the error, GG, it can go either way since it's just a shortening of the speech. If someone were talking more formally, adding 'the' to it would be better, but most characters use a more laid-back speech and slang in Ginga, so either way is fine

[Lukrietz]

Kit: I don't mind anyone disliking characters that I like either (or vice versa), to each their own. Your reasons for disliking characters make sense, and I can see why you like your favourite characters. As long as people are able to recognise their favourite characters' faults, and won't act as if they're perfect, it's a-okay. I can only agree with what you've written about Kisaragi and Jerome, especially Kisaragi I find... really baffling.

M-92 Mantis: Yeah, I was reading it over in my head, and realised it was more "speechey", or as you said, laid-back - it does make sense that you'd choose it over adding "the". It made me lose my flow a bit while reading though, making me think that it was incorrect, but that's probably because I'm not a native speaker. So no fault on your part. x3

[Tora]

For some reason when I downloaded pages 196-197 are missing (good thing I noticed that before I deleted the older one I downloded)

[kek]

Mar 20, 2014 14:35:31 GMT -7 Kit said:

Moving my rant here, because... why not. Took a long time to type, right?

Gonna get a little passionate, here, but... For those wondering why I hate Gin, this Shikoku arc is pretty much the epitome.

Ben is being very sensible about the storm, has every right to DEMAND they shut up and listen because they are still HIS soldiers, and said they would just go in the morning, when it's safer, anyway. There is NO downside to listening to him and NO reason for this outright sneaky, disgusting usurping. In fact ALL of them are just betraying him for no reason. They owe GIN NOTHING. They owe BEN many of their LIVES. BEN is the one making connections and gaining loyalty through his kindness and charisma.

But of course, since Gin needs to be the main star, here, Ben just gets pissed all over and does a complete character regression while Gin gets praised as a god in puppy form for basically doing the exact same thing Sniper has been doing - going behind the real leader's back to sneak around and try and take his role for literally no good reason. Now, I'm not saying Gin and Sniper have exactly the same methods, obviously, but there are still disturbing similarities that really have me wondering why one is considered the bad guy while the other isn't.

New chapter additional rant: And Gin AGAIN chooses not to go with Musashi's perfectly sensible plan, and instead risks the whole mission when there was NO downside to Musashi's plan that wouldn't happen with him alone.

I really do have no problem with fans having a different opinion of Gin, or even liking him. It's just something that personally pisses me off beyond belief about his character, and a rant that I'm always happy to get off my chest, LOL. If you think differently, you are obviously free to post about it, I just... really had to say all that after re-reading this volume.

This volume in particular reminded me of several reasons why I hate Gin, and I was trying to be more open minded about his character this time around. I agree with everything you wrote here so thankfully I don't need to explain myself
Thanks for the volume!

[Kevin]

Something that really bothered me in this chapter is how accepting everyone was of Wilson (the collie). The same day that he joined there group, he was trying to shake Kurojaki's son to death. I get that he'd do almost anything to get revenge, but killing an innocent child is pretty messed up. THEN, Cross is the only one to go and help the kid. She says because she's a a woman she can't endure "the voice of a crying child." This basically suggests everyone else can, which makes them look pretty cold-hearted. 

I also agree with everyone here, Gin is an absolute idiot in this volume. I guess everyone follows who they perceive as the "strongest" even if that means being disloyal to someone who's been leading you forever.To be fair though, Gin does say "I don't want you to come with me." He never really encourages anyone to follow him and just respects everyone's decisions. He still takes unnecessary and foolish risks though. 

That being said, I still really enjoyed reading this chapter. There was quite a few awesome fight scenes. 

Oh, and I think there's a small typo on page 39, "... we don't know know how much..." It should maybe be "...we don't know now how much..."? I feel really bad for pointing that out because everything is so perfect. I figured if you ever re-uploaded for some reason you might want to know so you can fix it. 

Now I'm off to read volume 5. Wish me luck....


:ilikeitplz:

[M-92 Mantis]

Jan 4, 2015 12:57:01 GMT -7 Kevin said:

Something that really bothered me in this chapter is how accepting everyone was of Wilson (the collie). The same day that he joined there group, he was trying to shake Kurojaki's son to death. I get that he'd do almost anything to get revenge, but killing an innocent child is pretty messed up. THEN, Cross is the only one to go and help the kid. She says because she's a a woman she can't endure "the voice of a crying child." This basically suggests everyone else can, which makes them look pretty cold-hearted. 

I also agree with everyone here, Gin is an absolute idiot in this volume. I guess everyone follows who they perceive as the "strongest" even if that means being disloyal to someone who's been leading you forever.To be fair though, Gin does say "I don't want you to come with me." He never really encourages anyone to follow him and just respects everyone's decisions. He still takes unnecessary and foolish risks though. 

That being said, I still really enjoyed reading this chapter. There was quite a few awesome fight scenes. 

Oh, and I think there's a small typo on page 39, "... we don't know know how much..." It should maybe be "...we don't know now how much..."? I feel really bad for pointing that out because everything is so perfect. I figured if you ever re-uploaded for some reason you might want to know so you can fix it. 

Now I'm off to read volume 5. Wish me luck....


:ilikeitplz:

LOL don't ever feel bad for pointing out any mistakes to us, Kev, it's how we improve. I'll fix that typo up soon and re-release it, so thank you for letting us know!

[Kevin]

Jan 4, 2015 13:57:44 GMT -7 M-92 Mantis said:

No problem, if I ever find another mistake I'll be sure to let you know.