Battouga Inheritance

[Klomonx]

This is my last thread that will be related to my comic in awhile, I swear...

I was wondering what y'all thought how I should determine Kurotora and Ben's children get their respective battouga's. I don't think Weed was the eldest of his group, so I don't think I can assume an eldest. And I don't think Weed, Joe, and Yukimura all got the Battouga - did they? I think Yuki had something like the battouga, but nothing officially like it.
I could just use Ken and Kage, as they are more talked about than George, Harutora, and Nobutora, but I really want to expand Ginga. Plus I love Haru's design....

[M-92 Mantis]

They all got nixed out because Yoshi didn't want anything from the wolf arc to be canon... but that just made the Battouga kinda magically appear, so adding them in and mentioning the wolves is a better move, I'd think. The inheritance people get from the Battougas is incredibly weird, since usually you can teach anyone else one, but it won't be a pure one, like Tesshin being able to use the impure Battouga. Only wolves could perfectly mimic one another's Battougas (the Zetsu was the hardest to learn).

Yukimura's "Neck the Killing" is an impure Battouga that was originally created in Shiroi Senshi Yamato (it's the Kaiten Jigoku, if I'm not mixing them up), and Joe either learned it with Yukimura, or he stole it just like he stole Yuki's head scars. Because Yoshi wanted to keep hyping up the new arc, he made Yukimura's impure form somehow target Weed's and knock him out, even though the Battouga is said to be one of the strongest physical attacks known, so that should be considered pretty inconsistent, since "Neck the Killing" isn't even a Battouga. Sometimes it's mentioned that people who understand the power of the Battouga and don't want to use it lightly are able to master it; Yukimura was severely corrupt so maybe he couldn't use it because of that, I dunno, it's incredibly vague on the specifics.

I'd think, if anything, since some of the inheritors of the Battougas didn't exactly use them, they just found a way to defeat the wolf wielding it, that they could imitate the attacks in an impure way, since the whole thing of Gin and Weed perfecting a Battouga was a huge deal. I think the parents could teach even variations of their inherited Battouga to their sons so they could have different forms of it. Kurotora never used the Ran Daryuushin, and Hyakkiga died before he could teach it to him, but through the wolf's tradition, they would give that Battouga to their successor, so I'm not sure if the successor is supposed to magically gain the knowledge like Riki and Gin somehow did, and then pass it on through Weed at birth.

So Kurotora was never technically able to be physically taught the move like Fuuga had for Riki, so that could be an explanation.

Akame's Shuu Tossou was different because he wasn't a maniac and wouldn't shave his bone down to a spear to use it. He used his leg when he and White Tiger were using it against each other.

Gin imitates the Retsu Genmu Battouga and the Geki Sentsuuhi, as well, but those were scrapped along with the rest because Yoshi probably didn't want to explain where they all came from.

Ben never uses the Geki Sentsuuhi despite being inherited it; only Gin learns and mimics the Battougas because he's the main character or something.

I'd say go for it. I'd think keeping it in for consistency's sake, but maybe making their versions of the Battougas impure, would keep within canon while also not seeming too inconsistent, since Weed even knowing a Battouga made people awestruck, and the fact he and Gin could perfect it was near impossible for anyone else, besides wolves.

[Kit]

Yeah, I was always confused about the whole "inheritance" concept, since both Reima and Gin were able to use multiple Battougas very accurately... Kurotora was supposedly able to "inherit" Hyakkiga's move because he killed that snake in his youth (fun fact of incontinuity: Yoshi emphasized Akatora killing the snake in the Gaiden story, lulz...). The others I don't remember having such a specific reason for being able to use them. I believe Ben just figured it out, and was able to execute it due to both he and Mukonga being exceptionally large and able to have equal reach on each other.

Akame's was just that "he's a ninja" excuse, if I remember right. Even though he seemed to be using a rib bone from one of Mukonga's many corpses for a while, which... doesn't require any skill or technique. When he fought White Tiger, he used some Zetsu-esque ninja move to spin like a waterwheel all the way up to the top of the geyser White Tiger was sitting on and gain enough speed so that his arm would (somehow) pierce his foe's chest for the Battouga. After he won, I remember him saying that he'd only succeeded because his spinning motion put his vitals out of reach exactly on time to not be killed by their Shuu stalemate.

So yeah, ironically,the Zetsu seems the most impossible to be passed on, yet of course it was the only one that was... So I say go nuts.

And Rascal is correct about Yukimura, being the oldest, not having any kind of Zetsu blood inheritance. I don't believe we're ever told where his Neck the Killing originally came from, but it's likely he made it up himself due to the "zomg so amazing bear hound legs and speed!!1!!1" that he possessed making it somehow possible. Even though, again like Rascal said, it's just a carbon copy of Hayate's "Neck Rolling" from Shiroi Senshi Yamato - just like even the Zetsu Tenrou Battouga is identical to Yamato's "Boomerang Sappou." O Yoshi, u so original!

[Klomonx]

Thanks a bunch! I figured Yoshi's reasoning was flimsy at best, but I needed to make sure.
In your opinions, do you think all of their respective children have the battouga (or more realistically, the imitation) - or only one, and if so, who? I do plan on explaining/expanding some things - such as what happened to Retsuga and Hyouma (and Hyouma's two unnamed friends if I do so recall).

[M-92 Mantis]

If you wanna go Yoshi's route, I'd say only Kage and Ken would have the moves since in Yoshi's thinking, they're the most important of the offspring. But personally, I don't think it'd be silly or anything if Kage's two brothers knew it, or had their own maybe weaker imitations. George as far as I know was as hyped as Ken, actually, so I could see both of them using the Geki.

[Kit]

The sad fate of the Gingaverse is that daddy dearest only ever pays attention to one son, so by those standards, I agree with Rascal. But I don't think there was anything glaring to suggest the "lesser" sons can't learn it, since Yoshi cast the implication that only one warrior of each Battouga can exist at a time straight out the window before he'd even implemented it, by having Fuuga, Riki, and Gin all alive and knowing it at the same time (despite Riki dying almost immediately after Gin's learning) and then just proceeding to create even MORE people who knew it (Weed... Orion... random generics... half of Tesshin... Poor Fuuga must be rolling in his grave.)

So really, by Yoshi continuity logic, there's nothing stopping you from doing much of anything you want with them. I say go for it!