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Post by alpha on May 7, 2018 10:18:06 GMT -7
How about we ignore that ''14 years since Kabuto'' and make it ''X years since...''? Can we get some logic into dog ages if we approach it like that?
Daisuke is 13 by the end of GNG. In GDW he's 20 (+), so that would be 7 years timegap. Yoshi has made so many mistakes by forgetting stuff I don't see why we couldn't pretend that it's never said there were 14 years timegap. Besides, none of the humans were surprised that John has lived 20 years! So, he hasn't.
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Post by Kuro on May 7, 2018 10:46:47 GMT -7
Sadly, no numbers are ever brought up, but with some context clues, we can assume an age range at least. -In Ginga, I guess it's easy to know when a dog is older or younger, like Jerome gets called uncle, Gin gets called elderly, and Weed gets called kid/brat. Shigure, when he runs into Genba, gets called a kid. Though this isn't the most reliable way since even Rocket gets called a kid/brat at some point by kamakiri  ; -They've never been in a fight before, since they claimed the fight against Genba's group was their first fight  ! -When Kurotora sees Smith's dead body, he introduces him to his nephews as if they never met him before, so I guess they weren't born during Kage's youth for Smith to have helped them hunt too. -Something that I just picked up after rereading a bit of volume 8 and 9, when Kagetora and Ken are heading to Kage's home, he's mostly referring to his dad and brothers. We know this because they only catch 3 birds instead of 7. When the group of nephews attack them, Kagetora asks "Aren't you my nephews or cousins?!" meaning he doesn't even know what part of the family they are. They don't even recognize each other. And that they must be young enough to be even KAGETORA'S nephews. -When Shigure makes it to Mutsu, Izou and his bros call him 'brother'. Though I think this can still be used amongst older guys too, Izou later tells Kisaragi that "they aren't the brats he thinks they are" and Hougen's war ends up being their very first war too, which makes me assume they're all pretty young-ish too. Of course, this is all speculation since Yoshi never likes to provide enough >3> And I could even be missing some I forgot to look into... but for now, this sound like a good enough list. My guess would beeee.... around 1-5? I can't imagine Kai kens going long in Ginga without getting into some fights, seeing as how aggressive they are. Kage I can almost swear haven't seen his brothers and father for at least 5 year (need too look that up in the early volumes). As Kage is kinda same age as Ken, and it's been almost 10-13 years since Akakabuto's fall to Weed's birth, meanin Kage would be at least 9-12 years old in GDW. Japan could've been in peace for years till Hougen descided to go against that. So my guess would be at least around 5 years old of the Kai cousins. I would guess seeing how the Kai cousins are towards Kage, Ken and Jôji, they have fought before, just not in a war as in a real big fight. And Kage only cought 3 birds? As it was for his family, he didn't even think of his uncle Chuutora then either... So make sence if it could've been nephews as well if a brother or both would've found a mate, lol. And in GNG I know Moss call Ben a kid or something, and still Ben is the oldest one of Ôu dogs.  I'm getting myself confused now. Oooo I hope that's true. I know Ken says it's been six years since he's seen Cross and Ben, so maybe that's when him and Kagetora gets stationed at the same time, being guard dogs near Gajou? I mean... when Kurotora sees Kagetora again, he says "you're still alive?" and "Look, I've gotten old too now. Now I'm shirotora!" meaning last time he saw his dad, he was still black furred. If Ken is about 13, that would make him around 7 back when he last saw his parents... And Kagetora definitely has to be a year or few months younger, so about 12 now, 6 when made into a guard dog? So, assuming Chutora was still nearby Kurotora [since he adopts his son later on], we can at least assume they're younger than 6 years for sure, since Kagetora doesn't know them. Hm, I think trained if anything... but then again, 200 opponents equaling just a mere fight to these guys, you make a point that they probably did fight for real a few times before. BUT, if what they say is true, then their aggressive behavior could just be them really itching to fight and test their skill? Just more speculating here, but Dodo asks his older brother "what should we do?" when they see just three random, harmless dogs walking by, making it seem like they aren't completely sure when to fight and when not to. There's such a huge emphasis on peace being brought to the land when Gin became the supreme commander... so if they never got to fight before or run into a lot of suspicious dogs, it'd make sense to not know what to do when you're new to it. Yeah, just three..... HMMMmmmm... actually, I'm glad you emphasized on just three, even excluding Chutora... Kagetora tells Jouji that they're going to his place to 'get their strongest comrades yet', but only gets three birds. Maybe Chutora left before Kagetora left home. Interesting detail... But yeah, if he thought they could even be new nephews, then this mean they are young, since he would have definitely remembered them before leaving home, right? LOL Moss did?! That's hilarious. Alright, so that point is out the window, but I feel like the nephew one holds more weight than the others. Yoshi is known for forgetting and making up new stuff when it comes to time details, but his word choices can be pretty set in stone of his real intentions (since he clearly regrets making Ken, Kagetora, and Tesshin old). I feel confident that Kagetora calling them cousins OR nephews show they they're definitely younger than him, and by quite a bit since he haven't ever seen them before. |
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Post by alpha on May 7, 2018 13:16:34 GMT -7
Hm, I think trained if anything... but then again, 200 opponents equaling just a mere Wasn't it 50 dogs, not 200 (in comic)?  Also, they never saw it as mere fight. They knew they were going to die. |
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Post by Kuro on May 7, 2018 14:06:25 GMT -7
Hm, I think trained if anything... but then again, 200 opponents equaling just a mere Wasn't it 50 dogs, not 200 (in comic)? Also, they never saw it as mere fight. They knew they were going to die. In volume 12, page 88 (from my download), Genba's subordinate warned there were 200 soldiers coming to Gajou. Shigure reported 200 soldiers again in volume 13 too, just as more reconfirmation. Well, Buru says in volume 12, page 158, "first fight/battle" specifically. A few pages later, page 160, the narrator even restates it indeed being their first fight/battle as well, so that's why I brought it up. If this is really their first actual battle, sounds like they're pretty young to never have to fight much before. Just trying to fish for more proof of them being young lol |
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Post by Kuro on May 7, 2018 14:45:28 GMT -7
just have to share this as well...  they freakin know. WHY |
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Post by Tora on May 8, 2018 0:51:51 GMT -7
just have to share this as well... they freakin know. WHY We need to find all the places where time since Akakabuto's fall is mentioned. To get some light on this. |
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Post by alpha on May 8, 2018 1:23:45 GMT -7
just have to share this as well... they freakin know. WHY We need to find all the places where time since Akakabuto's fall is mentioned. To get some light on this. Um, here's one...  |
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Post by Kuro on May 8, 2018 1:29:01 GMT -7
just have to share this as well... they freakin know. WHY We need to find all the places where time since Akakabuto's fall is mentioned. To get some light on this. I'll start the list the best I can .... 1. In the anime, very first episode, I'm pretty sure they gave a number like 13 or 14. 2. Kagetora [in volume...2?] mentioned not being in Gajou in 5 or 6 years 3. Cross or Ken says they haven't seen each other in 6 years 4. Daisuke's dad above as you see claims 15 years has passed. 5. Not sure if this counts, but Smith mentions teaching Ken and Kagetora how to hunt when they were young [the pic showed them looking a few months to a year old...] 6. Here's a good one! Volume 3, page ...52? At least it is from this download I have... Smith mentions Kurotora and Ben retiring and moving to Kofu. He asks if Ken and Kagetora has seen them since then, but they replied with, "After our first birthday, we had to leave home and become soldiers. We weren't able to see our parents since then." 7. Kurotora, in volume...10? 11? Says "Around 10 years ago, my brother took the eye of Akakabuto here!!" It's a little late, so this is as far as I'll get for now edit: Man, Alpha. That's a really good one. Definitely save worthy! |
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Post by Tora on May 8, 2018 2:05:51 GMT -7
We need to find all the places where time since Akakabuto's fall is mentioned. To get some light on this. I'll start the list the best I can .... 1. In the anime, very first episode, I'm pretty sure they gave a number like 13 or 14. 2. Kagetora [in volume...2?] mentioned not being in Gajou in 5 or 6 years 3. Cross or Ken says they haven't seen each other in 6 years 4. Daisuke's dad above as you see claims 15 years has passed. 5. Not sure if this counts, but Smith mentions teaching Ken and Kagetora how to hunt when they were young [the pic showed them looking a few months to a year old...] 6. Here's a good one! Volume 3, page ...52? At least it is from this download I have... Smith mentions Kurotora and Ben retiring and moving to Kofu. He asks if Ken and Kagetora has seen them since then, but they replied with, "After our first birthday, we had to leave home and become soldiers. We weren't able to see our parents since then." 7. Kurotora, in volume...10? 11? Says "Around 10 years ago, my brother took the eye of Akakabuto here!!" It's a little late, so this is as far as I'll get for now edit: Man, Alpha. That's a really good one. Definitely save worthy! I'm not even go to count the anime in this. There it's definatly 14 years for sure. Now I wanna go through all the manga to find all of the times years are mentioned. Though, no time... O.o |
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Post by alpha on May 22, 2018 13:46:46 GMT -7
After the latest GDW volume the timeline/age thing got confusing again... It seems that Gin DID travel the lands for 14 years, ignoring his own pregnant wife. What's best, most of his old comrades could have died from an OLD AGE until he reaches all 1600 of them. Huh, no wonder it took him 14 years to do that, and he still wasn't finished, as we know Hougen interrupted him. Imagine how long those families are just sitting there, doing nothing, waiting for their Leader to come and visit them. For 14 long years. And in the beginning of GDW we see Smith being walked by his owner, not searching (or at least passing on the word) for Sakura that he lost. Even when he seems GB with his old comrade's Ging's literal clone he does nothing. Instead he says that he last saw Gin 10 years ago, when we know it was only 1 year ago! But what I'm here for today is not GDW, it's GNG. It's THIS ->  Pretty self-explanatory. |
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Post by Kuro on May 22, 2018 14:46:33 GMT -7
After the latest GDW volume the timeline/age thing got confusing again... It seems that Gin DID travel the lands for 14 years, ignoring his own pregnant wife. What's best, most of his old comrades could have died from an OLD AGE until he reaches all 1600 of them. Huh, no wonder it took him 14 years to do that, and he still wasn't finished, as we know Hougen interrupted him. Imagine how long those families are just sitting there, doing nothing, waiting for their Leader to come and visit them. For 14 long years. And in the beginning of GDW we see Smith being walked by his owner, not searching (or at least passing on the word) for Sakura that he lost. Even when he seems GB with his old comrade's Ging's literal clone he does nothing. Instead he says that he last saw Gin 10 years ago, when we know it was only 1 year ago! I'm definitely extremely confused about Gin's travels as well. We know the wolf war happened, because Hakuro is missing a paw like in the wolf arm. Tesshin SPECIFICALLY says last 2 wars. The only way to explain Gin's continuous travels is if the wolf war didn't count and there actually was another dog vs dog war [cough cough chutora]. However, Smith is VERY MUCH the one needing questioning here. GB knew Smith was made into a pet dog and was going to be on a walk... if he's a pet, how is that Smith "not stopping what he had to do"? Or what... is that him still being recovered by his nurse? I've seen dogs run away from their caretakers easily, so I don't get this still. And like I showed above, Weed said it himself before that he knows almost nothing about Ohu. I think Yoshi conveniently changed it to make this sappy moment But what I'm here for today is not GDW, it's GNG. It's THIS -> Pretty self-explanatory. LMMAAAOOOOO Maybe he spent so much time in the dark, he's not even sure of how he looks like LOL |
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Post by alpha on May 23, 2018 3:26:40 GMT -7
The only way to explain Gin's continuous travels is if the wolf war didn't count and there actually was another dog vs dog war [cough cough chutora]. Actually you're very much right. Besides, the wolf war was not really a war, now was it? It was just some few strategic battles between officers, not thousands of doggy hordes, like in an actual WAR it is. At best it could be Wolf Battle, but not a Wolf War. So, there must have been another war... War started by a certain striped kaiken... |
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